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he wasn't happy with the 2012 elections. do you think conservatism just didn't make the case in the elections last november? >> we always have to do a better job at how we speak about liberty, the constitution and how inclusive it is and how it offers things to people who have not yet experienced the fruits of liberty. so i think we can always do a better job. what i will say about jim demint is he has started and brought some liberty-minded libertarian/conservatives to the senate. we have a pretty good caucus now. there's a real strong jim demint influence in our caucus. >> great stuff. senator rand paul, kentucky, thank you sir. all the best. >> thank you. >>> so besides praising jim demint, senator rand paul said something very interesting. he said he will not vote for a filibuster. he said, let larry reid, no filibust filibuster, 51 vote, simple majority and then he will vote no and let the democrats have the onus of the big tax hike. quite interesting. now here's a political threat. is the republicans at risk of becomin
he wasn't happy with the 2012 elections. do you think conservatism just didn't make the case in the elections last november? >> we always have to do a better job at how we speak about liberty, the constitution and how inclusive it is and how it offers things to people who have not yet experienced the fruits of liberty. so i think we can always do a better job. what i will say about jim demint is he has started and brought some liberty-minded libertarian/conservatives to the senate. we...
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the speaker characterizing this as a status quo election. that's not the way the white house sees it. the white house sees it as an election they won and they picked up seats in the congress. the speaker here reminding the president, hey, you know what, we control the house of representatives. he goes on to characterize the president's proffer from last week. boehner saying, we cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. they talk about possibly raising some entitlement reform proposals with the president. but then the speaker and his co-signers here have this sentence, mindful of the status quo election and questions on entitlement reform we recognize it would be counterproductive to privately or publicly propose entitlement reforms you or the leader of your party are unwilling to changed in near term. boehner is laying out a revision going back to the simpson/bowles plan in some way, shape or form and that's the gist of this offer from the speaker to the president. we're diving into it in real
the speaker characterizing this as a status quo election. that's not the way the white house sees it. the white house sees it as an election they won and they picked up seats in the congress. the speaker here reminding the president, hey, you know what, we control the house of representatives. he goes on to characterize the president's proffer from last week. boehner saying, we cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. they talk about possibly...
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i doubt our elected officials would be brazen enough to leave washington without an agreement? this is my hunch. if, and that is an if we are going to see a deal, i suspect it'll come in the next two weeks. if we know anything about d.c. lawmakers, their time off may be more of a sacred cow than the belief on tax and spending. if i'm right, it's too bad that their own self-interests motivate them more. >>> before we look the a the day on wall street. and it was a quiet day. at the end of the day, we did see the markets get a good lift up about 40 points on the industrial average. nasdaq composite picked up 15 1/2 points. and the s&p tonight gain of 4.5% points, check out apple today, we did see a bit of a rebound after the big selloff yesterday. apple continues to trade higher in realtime, up 1.5% on apple at
i doubt our elected officials would be brazen enough to leave washington without an agreement? this is my hunch. if, and that is an if we are going to see a deal, i suspect it'll come in the next two weeks. if we know anything about d.c. lawmakers, their time off may be more of a sacred cow than the belief on tax and spending. if i'm right, it's too bad that their own self-interests motivate them more. >>> before we look the a the day on wall street. and it was a quiet day. at the end...
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we thought we'd have elections march/april, there's the prospect it could be a snap election much earlier perhaps in the new year. now the good news is there isn't a huge amount of blowout on the bonds at the short end of the italian markets. the yields are higher but not huge relative to where we've been but on the ten-year italian market you can see we're slightly higher but no great shakes overall. it means the rally in the peripheral bond market we've witnessed in italy and spain has now stalled at this stage. remember we had the auction in spain yesterday and the yields are slightly higher relative to where we've been, they're still relatively depressed. we talk about the problems in europe, i thought it was worth pointing out amidst all the malaise what is happening in germany today an astounding manufacturing german manufacturing orders result from germany up 3.9% in october, a phenomenal performance from german industry and it's worth bearing in mind that german industry is basically in a single currency that is too low arguably for what it should be at. the deutsche mark would ha
we thought we'd have elections march/april, there's the prospect it could be a snap election much earlier perhaps in the new year. now the good news is there isn't a huge amount of blowout on the bonds at the short end of the italian markets. the yields are higher but not huge relative to where we've been but on the ten-year italian market you can see we're slightly higher but no great shakes overall. it means the rally in the peripheral bond market we've witnessed in italy and spain has now...
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sandy, the election, holiday workers. you say three asterisks. >> yeah, i think it has to have three asterisks, it doesn't fit in with initial claims and other items. they said sandy had no impact on the number. i think that may be because the number was basically taken before the impact was held. i think they're going to see a lot of revisions here. >> next week setting up. it's going to be another big one. same store sales from various companies and, of course, the fed. >> the fed is important. it's another one of those two-day meetings. they're going to take down operation twist. this will be important because he gets to announce at a press conference. that gives them a chance to explain what the mood of the meeting was. it will give them a chance to hear what the new proposal, qe whatever, is supposed to do and how they want to set it up. so i think the markets will hone in on that very, very carefully. >> do you think we see an acceleration of purchases, a revamp of twists? will there be an event as i said earlier? >
sandy, the election, holiday workers. you say three asterisks. >> yeah, i think it has to have three asterisks, it doesn't fit in with initial claims and other items. they said sandy had no impact on the number. i think that may be because the number was basically taken before the impact was held. i think they're going to see a lot of revisions here. >> next week setting up. it's going to be another big one. same store sales from various companies and, of course, the fed. >>...
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also remember the exit polling from the elections that shows people are fine with taxes going up on the top 2%. this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion in unfunded highbilities those are promises that are made that we have to keep. >> guys, this is part of what is interesting about this conversation. when you hear the speaker talking about the loop holes that is the same rhetoric that we heard from mit romney. >> they are using the stuff that is done in the budget control last year. >> those are terrible talking points. >> let me say this point. >> hang on a second. i want to go to guy benson on another point. there is a lot of talk that the republicans might have a doom's day scenario. if there is a budget stalemate, then the republicans will allow a vot
also remember the exit polling from the elections that shows people are fine with taxes going up on the top 2%. this is part of why the deal from john boehner was a non starter. he said how about deduction caps so you have lots of taxes. is he in trouble with his right wing? >> yes, he is. they have purged the scam. you said it. spending cuts. they are talking about $350 billion. what matters here is the numbers. we can't afford this. we have $16 trillion in debt. we have $87 trillion in...
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he's had ever since september of 2011 when the grand bargain talks broke out -- broke down and post-election he's made clear this is going to remain an element of his strategy, is campaigning with the public. he made that trip to pennsylvania last week. he's trying to use the public, which polls show agrees with him on some of the key questions like top rate, to put pressure on the congress to move. we'll see how effective that can be. certainly it hasn't been effecti effective heretofore but it is possible it could and the president believes having won the election he's on the high side. >> 2:00 on twitter. john, thanks very much. >>> one of the overhangs for the fiscal cliff for investors is what will happen on dividend tax rates. more and more corporations aren't waiting to find out exactly what happens with more than $22.5 billion worth of special difficult sends having been announced from 98 companies in the fourth quarter so far. today, hca, dish network, cato joining the list. jim iuorio is a cnbc contributor. >> i've been looking at this from every ang toll fiangle to find a tradable
he's had ever since september of 2011 when the grand bargain talks broke out -- broke down and post-election he's made clear this is going to remain an element of his strategy, is campaigning with the public. he made that trip to pennsylvania last week. he's trying to use the public, which polls show agrees with him on some of the key questions like top rate, to put pressure on the congress to move. we'll see how effective that can be. certainly it hasn't been effecti effective heretofore but...
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ever since obama won the election, we are now in deal mode. i have to tell you, we're going to have a stellar year. it's going to be at a price. the price is going to be -- january is probably going to be much worse than predicted. february, march, et cetera. we're borrowing for the future, yet again. >> that's a really good point. is this just a short-term thing? next year in 2013, once we see cap gains taxes go much higher, which they probably will, do things slow down again? >> oh, yeah. i think it will slow down again. i think people will hunker down, particularly are the whole fiscal cliff story hanging. even if it goes over, which i predict it will -- >> so do i. >> diana, what are you seeing? >> in the high ends where dolly works, of course it's going to have a big effect. let's keep this in perspective when we look at the housing recovery. homes price ed over $1 million were just 1.7% of sales in october. this is a minuscule amount when you look at the overall housing market and the recovery. that's why we're not seeing prices come dow
ever since obama won the election, we are now in deal mode. i have to tell you, we're going to have a stellar year. it's going to be at a price. the price is going to be -- january is probably going to be much worse than predicted. february, march, et cetera. we're borrowing for the future, yet again. >> that's a really good point. is this just a short-term thing? next year in 2013, once we see cap gains taxes go much higher, which they probably will, do things slow down again? >>...
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we thought it would be weak during an election year. there's a whole body of academic evidence that public policy certainly does impair it. but we were stunned as early as the first quarter of this year to see the tech sector, ibm, talking about flat revenue growth in the u.s., and there we think there's a level of cap-ex that has just been foregone because of this public policy uncertainty that, even in a semistable environment, it should rebound a bit. and that could be a big driver for profit growth in '14. >> you point out that your sector positioning, you say it's cautious, but you are upping technology to overweight. underweighting domestic cyclical. if cap-ex is a phenomenon next year why would you not be more highly leveraged to that? >> well, we think that first of all, the numbers, and the valuations, look fully played out. we think they still have housing market euphoria. and, have looked at things like consumer confidence going up, at least until friday, as a result of house prices stabilizing. for us, that's the reason why
we thought it would be weak during an election year. there's a whole body of academic evidence that public policy certainly does impair it. but we were stunned as early as the first quarter of this year to see the tech sector, ibm, talking about flat revenue growth in the u.s., and there we think there's a level of cap-ex that has just been foregone because of this public policy uncertainty that, even in a semistable environment, it should rebound a bit. and that could be a big driver for...
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before we got really wrapped up in the election we were wringing our hands on how the earnings season was not coming out very well. i think when we start paying attention to earnings again it will be a problem. >> coming up next is dell really a buy? our traders will make the call on whether this beaten down tech stock is back from the brink. it could be called the ultimate fiscal cliff trade. find out which investment americans are pouring into. much more straight ahead. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my ca
before we got really wrapped up in the election we were wringing our hands on how the earnings season was not coming out very well. i think when we start paying attention to earnings again it will be a problem. >> coming up next is dell really a buy? our traders will make the call on whether this beaten down tech stock is back from the brink. it could be called the ultimate fiscal cliff trade. find out which investment americans are pouring into. much more straight ahead. if you think...
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doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the last three days, jobless claims to sustain that renewal again which i think is a bad idea, that's 30 to $35 billion a year. i heard many democrats say that's a small amount, why shouldn't we do that? that's about halfway to the total amount they're talking about taxes. but whent's that, it's small. but when it's the 70 to $80 billion am toortized over ten years, all of a sudden it's big. i'm not saying don't raise taxes. if i signed the pledge, i would do it for good reasons. i haven't seen a good reason. i haven't seen a plan that promotes the big guy in the room. >> see you in the next hou
doing precisely that. >> got through the election on social issues. on the economy, i think it's pretty clear that nobody voted for four more years of the current economy. four more years to get his house in order and he's not going to get his house in order using the red herring of taxes when it's entitlemen entitlements. it just isn't going to work, simon. >> i get it. i'm just pointing out -- >> you know what, let's take jobless claims. >> i get it. >> over the...
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after the election, the risk that the market basically these two portfolios are traching each other are perfect mirror images here. they were betting at this point we were going to go over the cliff. in other words the -- over the cliff portfolio was the outperformer until today. they have crossed. so now it's gone lower. we hit the cliff and avoid it is going higher at this point. two things to watch for this week. we got all that treasury paper coming to market here. the yield has moved higher. but we'll see what happens there. then the other thing is natural gas at a two-month low and moving lower because of all the warm weather in the markets now. nat gas subpoena in fact we come off this low here. with the market up 20 points here, what do you make of this -- of our model portfolio fiscal cliff portfolios? >> i was very surprised that it crossed today. i mean, with very little activity, very little movement on pretty much any stock that it crossed today. i was surprised with that. i'm becoming a little more convinced that we're not going to have any resolution at all. i thought the
after the election, the risk that the market basically these two portfolios are traching each other are perfect mirror images here. they were betting at this point we were going to go over the cliff. in other words the -- over the cliff portfolio was the outperformer until today. they have crossed. so now it's gone lower. we hit the cliff and avoid it is going higher at this point. two things to watch for this week. we got all that treasury paper coming to market here. the yield has moved...
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they have an election every two years and they got elected again and they've got constituents that sent them there for a reason. and then you've got the president would is just -- you know, just being hammered by the left on not caving this time around because he got so much grief the last time. this is setting up for us to go over the cliff, isn't it? what do you think? do we go over it or not? >> yeah, it is very difficult. and i feel bad for john boehner. he's in a difficult situation. i did want to remind john that he should look at the young, newer members that are so difficult to persuade to make an easy deal compromise. and remember, it wasn't too many years ago, john, that was you and me and we were driving bob michael and president bush nuts when the democrats were offering them, give us the tax increases now, we'll give you the spending cuts later and we were saying, oh, no, they'll never keep their word on the spending cuts. they'll tax the tax increases. quite frankly, the speaker has a difficult role to play here. he's seen by so many people as the principal guardian of our
they have an election every two years and they got elected again and they've got constituents that sent them there for a reason. and then you've got the president would is just -- you know, just being hammered by the left on not caving this time around because he got so much grief the last time. this is setting up for us to go over the cliff, isn't it? what do you think? do we go over it or not? >> yeah, it is very difficult. and i feel bad for john boehner. he's in a difficult situation....
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i think we still need to get through the election or the post election haze. i would say that -- to everybody, listen, we're no longer running for office here. this is about getting back down to brass tacks and figuring out how to solve it. >> which side is not campaigning anymore? >> you've got to listen to who's not talking. i think that's -- in washington, it's always who's not talking. >> we haven't really heard much from senate leadership. >> so that's where our deal gets carved out? >> well, when you start to hear some things from the senate leadership, then you'll know we're getting close to getting something done. and right now they're sending out minions and talking about things that i think are really, you know, staking out claims so they can say they've done that for their constituencies. but it's time right now for the moderates on both sides to step up. for those that are not necessarily at risk of losing elections in the near term to step up and say, listen, just like the leaders said earlier in the program. this is a math problem. it's really no
i think we still need to get through the election or the post election haze. i would say that -- to everybody, listen, we're no longer running for office here. this is about getting back down to brass tacks and figuring out how to solve it. >> which side is not campaigning anymore? >> you've got to listen to who's not talking. i think that's -- in washington, it's always who's not talking. >> we haven't really heard much from senate leadership. >> so that's where our...
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but he told us that's not going to happen, and he got re-elected. what does it matter? it doesn't raise a lot of money. why didn't he just say that we're taking the able of social security to 6, cutting the military budget. the democrats will be committing political suicide and the republicans. that's why i was hoping that congress would rise above and figure out a more reasonable way to spend less and take in more money over time and get the budget over time. the moronic cliff doesn't hurt. what do we need? i have to use his words because it's like a curse word. compromise. it used to be the american way. compromise, that's considered to be sinking below. you know i favor higher stock prices, that's my mantra. i'm not sure that cutting all these programs quickly, that's what the quick jump would do is the way to get to higher stock prices, austerity means that tax hikes will go higher. unlike the rest of the 98%, you won't hurt the market as much as if you make everybody pay. the 2% save more and the 98% spent more. but what really hurts is no deal at all. the presiden
but he told us that's not going to happen, and he got re-elected. what does it matter? it doesn't raise a lot of money. why didn't he just say that we're taking the able of social security to 6, cutting the military budget. the democrats will be committing political suicide and the republicans. that's why i was hoping that congress would rise above and figure out a more reasonable way to spend less and take in more money over time and get the budget over time. the moronic cliff doesn't hurt....
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this move is likely to bring the country forward to elections next year. the italian prime minister has offered no clue as to whether or not he will run and it comes after sylvia berlusconi declared over the weekend he would throw his hat in the ring for the job of premier. carolyn ross is in italy following the details there. can you walk us through the time frame here? when are we expected monte to step down? what happens next? >> good morning to you, kelly. here is the time frame for you. over the next few weeks, we're expecting the budget stability law to be passed. neither of the political parties will want to be blamed for bringing down the stability of italy, so they will pass that over the next week. once that is passed, mr. mon at the said he would step down. that will happen likely around new year's. and then the president will have to dissolve the parliament and between 45 and 70 days after the parliament is dissolved, new elections will take place and that probably takes us to february 2014. and, kelly, that is two months before the actual elec
this move is likely to bring the country forward to elections next year. the italian prime minister has offered no clue as to whether or not he will run and it comes after sylvia berlusconi declared over the weekend he would throw his hat in the ring for the job of premier. carolyn ross is in italy following the details there. can you walk us through the time frame here? when are we expected monte to step down? what happens next? >> good morning to you, kelly. here is the time frame for...
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the storm and the election. staying with clothing, vera bradley -- well, handbags. those shares also tanking and they are blaming sandy as well but also noted their holiday season is off to a slow start. jeffri jeffries raising the tart fro tm $22 to $20. not all bad news. finisar, higher demand for tranceivers. what else? the stock down 17% year to date. finally, zynga. take a look at shares. they are up nearly 7% because they filed for a gambling license. that is right. the virtual game company wants to become a real poker company. let's bring in julia boorstin with more on this zynga story. seems like if they get it, a completely transformative thing. >> it would be transformative and zynga's definitely pushing forward with its plans to eventually make money from online gambling but the key thing here is that this is really a ways off. the stock soared as much as 9% higher this morning after it came out that zynga applied for real money gaming license in nevada which the company says will take as much as 18 months to get approved. but we have to remember that onl
the storm and the election. staying with clothing, vera bradley -- well, handbags. those shares also tanking and they are blaming sandy as well but also noted their holiday season is off to a slow start. jeffri jeffries raising the tart fro tm $22 to $20. not all bad news. finisar, higher demand for tranceivers. what else? the stock down 17% year to date. finally, zynga. take a look at shares. they are up nearly 7% because they filed for a gambling license. that is right. the virtual game...
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effective at being able to hide the net impact of his plan and ride this general good feeling of his election. it's not a healthy situation politically. we've got to do the right thing for the country. >> all right, senator. i was really struck by how easily he said -- steve said, look, if we don't get higher taxes we go over the cliff? absolutely. good to have you on the program. >> we want to avoid that. every republican is firmly convinced we should not go over this cliff and should be avoided. >> exactly. thank you, senator. see you soon. we'll certainly come back to you as the story develops. we get more reaction right now from maya mcginness. she's been rallying up ceos across the country to get involved in this and get heard. maya, nice to see you again. thanks for joining us. >> nice to see you. >> give me your ae reaction to geithner interview. >> i think i had the same reaction you did. we were tossing around going over the cliff in a way that makes me nervous. as the clock is ticking and we're getting closer to the end of december, i think we all wish we were closer to being confid
effective at being able to hide the net impact of his plan and ride this general good feeling of his election. it's not a healthy situation politically. we've got to do the right thing for the country. >> all right, senator. i was really struck by how easily he said -- steve said, look, if we don't get higher taxes we go over the cliff? absolutely. good to have you on the program. >> we want to avoid that. every republican is firmly convinced we should not go over this cliff and...
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>> the president himself kourg the election said 2 1/2 to one. now his proposal last week has $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in spending cuts and another $200 billion in spending, plus an unlimited ability to borrow and raise the debt limit >> you'd be okay with 2 1/2 to 1? >> the bowles-simpson was about 3 to 1. frankly i don't think it's a revenue problem. i don't want to go over revenues. but you know, if we could get a deal that would put the country on a sound fiscal footing and change this trajectory that we're on, there perhaps could be some republican support for it. i'm not sure where i would come in. >> the -- part of the cliff that bothers you the most is that you'd like to do something with the sequester? or, if we were to sunset all the bush tax cuts? that would -- >> that would go -- republicans want to get rid of the deficit. that almost cures the deficit. and that was the rates that we had at one point. and they were supposed to sunset. and i guess there's never a good time. but what if they all sunsetted and you did
>> the president himself kourg the election said 2 1/2 to one. now his proposal last week has $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in spending cuts and another $200 billion in spending, plus an unlimited ability to borrow and raise the debt limit >> you'd be okay with 2 1/2 to 1? >> the bowles-simpson was about 3 to 1. frankly i don't think it's a revenue problem. i don't want to go over revenues. but you know, if we could get a deal that would put the country on a...
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you won the election, mr. obama. we'll get the middle class tax cuts. we'll get the upper class tax hikes. get the capital gain and the dividends and the estates. you can only tax hike. that's what senator rand paul said last night. i'm starting to think that's the only way out. otherwise we're going into january, february,march and whatever. >> i think that's the best solution. it's a great chess move. let them do whatever they want and let's test the results. let's see what happens when you do it. then the mid-term elections will roll around and they'll be in great shape. the republicans will get voted in. another plan. you got spending up here, revenue down here. we got to narrow that gachlt they should make it clear to the democrats, pick any number of revenue increase you want. remember the spending cuts number has to be greater. let's see them live with that. >> that's the thing, mark. just to follow up on that. such an important point. everyone is obsessed with the taxes. taxes are very important. no one is talking about spending cuts. no one is
you won the election, mr. obama. we'll get the middle class tax cuts. we'll get the upper class tax hikes. get the capital gain and the dividends and the estates. you can only tax hike. that's what senator rand paul said last night. i'm starting to think that's the only way out. otherwise we're going into january, february,march and whatever. >> i think that's the best solution. it's a great chess move. let them do whatever they want and let's test the results. let's see what happens when...
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election and iphone 5. and while the most searched person of the year was kim kardashian, this is according to yahoo! search engine, kate middleton and political polls also made the top ten list. so here is a simple question for you today. what dunk were the most interesting stories this year or the most interesting story, the election, the owe almost picks, the ongoing saga in greece. let us thouknow. worldwide at cnkrchlt nbcnbc.co. >>> starbucks is changing the way it pays taxes in the uk this after harsh criticism of tax avoidance from the british government. more when we come back. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. >>> words of caution from the bank of japan chief at forum in tokyo. the governor said central bankers need to take a long term policy perspective if they want sustainable gr
election and iphone 5. and while the most searched person of the year was kim kardashian, this is according to yahoo! search engine, kate middleton and political polls also made the top ten list. so here is a simple question for you today. what dunk were the most interesting stories this year or the most interesting story, the election, the owe almost picks, the ongoing saga in greece. let us thouknow. worldwide at cnkrchlt nbcnbc.co. >>> starbucks is changing the way it pays taxes in...
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tell me what you want for us to do but i don't like the idea that i was elected and my election certificate is as valid as anybody else's here not to have a say in this. i'd say to my colleagues, lets us, the people's house, take back control of this argument, come together and put something forward. >> you and others have signed on to a so-called discharge petition that would cause the house of representatives to take a vote on the bill passed in the senate some time ago that would extend the so-called bush era tax cuts for people earning less than $250,000. it requires 218 signatures. that means you've got to get some republicans to sign on. do you have any indication that any people will break from speaker boehner and sign your petition? >> i think so. i know one for example, my friend walter jones down in north carolina, said that he's open to it. i think i need 41 people now. we've got 177. i need 41 people to come forward and i think what's really interesting about this is, republicans aren't violating any pledge on this. they are assuring taxes don't go up. i see no reason why we can
tell me what you want for us to do but i don't like the idea that i was elected and my election certificate is as valid as anybody else's here not to have a say in this. i'd say to my colleagues, lets us, the people's house, take back control of this argument, come together and put something forward. >> you and others have signed on to a so-called discharge petition that would cause the house of representatives to take a vote on the bill passed in the senate some time ago that would...
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. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in the meantime, let's talk about some of the other headlines. financial firms are gathering for the goldman sachs financial services contractors. a key presenter is brian money tha moynihan. we talked about his reports of planned fee increases. plus there was the issue of president obama's likely pick to follow tim geithner at treasury. we talked about how buffett threw out jamie dimon's name. here is what moynihan thinks about that idea. >> i won't give individual names, but i think what warren is expressing a view which i agree with is that we need to have very bright, very talented and very broad experienced people help pus
. >> i was so hopeful, i wasn't obviously thrilled with the election results, but i actually thought that result might be the result we needed to get thefshs done. >> in a way you you have the situation where -- >> you extend 98 but not the 2? believing that story is so -- >> either raise them on everyone or raise them on -- either it will hurt the economy if you raise taxes or it's not. on 98 it won't hurt, on 2 it will -- >> we'll have more on this argument. in...
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>> you would have to elect romney to do that. you're not going to extend the bush tax cuts for the high end. >> for another minute. >> not even for a milliseconmil. >> the republicans want to bargain away and let taxes go up by the end of the year and have the big negotiations occur next year when the president will want even more increases in taxes. >> let me ask a different question and it's sort of the -- >> and then we got to go. >> here's the opportunity for the president to eclipse the whole thing, i don't think he's going to but he could eclipse the whole scene. let's not relitigate '01 and '03 let's bridge to tax reform and move forward. the senate democrats not answering their phones are the ones to ask about this one. >> congressman, thank you for being on. >>> the final countdown to the jobs report. stick around. ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever before. take advantage of exceptional valu
>> you would have to elect romney to do that. you're not going to extend the bush tax cuts for the high end. >> for another minute. >> not even for a milliseconmil. >> the republicans want to bargain away and let taxes go up by the end of the year and have the big negotiations occur next year when the president will want even more increases in taxes. >> let me ask a different question and it's sort of the -- >> and then we got to go. >> here's the...
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i think businesses are holding back partly because of the election, which is now passed obviously. and the fiscal cliff. i still believe that we're going to end up kicking the can down the road. i think there's lots of pent-up demand in the economy so we're not going to go into a recession. in fact, i think next year we could see some acceleration. one of the key ways to see this is just to look at auto sales for november. they surged to 15.5 million. every time we have a dip in demand because of sandy or something else, we come back. this economy is super resilient and i think we'll be able to go over the cliff or go through the cliff without having a recession. >> i hope you're right. my concern is that you are absolutely wrong. actually the economy is slowing to stall speed and markets could correct badly on the news moving forward. we learned this week that manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. we had analysts on the program talking about the channel checks indicating softness for a second month and today goldman has downgraded growth in the f
i think businesses are holding back partly because of the election, which is now passed obviously. and the fiscal cliff. i still believe that we're going to end up kicking the can down the road. i think there's lots of pent-up demand in the economy so we're not going to go into a recession. in fact, i think next year we could see some acceleration. one of the key ways to see this is just to look at auto sales for november. they surged to 15.5 million. every time we have a dip in demand because...
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i respectfully disagree that the only democrats got elected in the past election. there was still a majority in the house of representatives republican that would return to office they ought not take ownership of something that will reduce jobs and growth. they ought not to do that or they'll be responsible for what happens in the next four years. let the democrats have their tax increases and you'll see what happens. >> as you speak, we have a fiscal cliff countdown clock right beneath you, 27 days and 12 hours. gentlemen, appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> thank you. governors gilmore and davis. >>> let's get to brian sullivan with the market flash. brian? >>> perhaps not happy here, carl, pby is falling today. they swupg to a third quarter loss. you can see the stock is down 13%, $6.8 million loss, basically 13 cents per adjusted share of a loss. wall street was expecting a prof profit. sales fell 2.4% quarter over quarter. of course the whole autoparts phase with a lot of action around this name, pby has been stuck in an $8 to $12 range for the better par
i respectfully disagree that the only democrats got elected in the past election. there was still a majority in the house of representatives republican that would return to office they ought not take ownership of something that will reduce jobs and growth. they ought not to do that or they'll be responsible for what happens in the next four years. let the democrats have their tax increases and you'll see what happens. >> as you speak, we have a fiscal cliff countdown clock right beneath...
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. >>> now over to japan, where election timing may spell budget delays. we have the story from tokyo. >> the election campaign has officially kicked off in japan, but there are worries the budget is not likely to be ready pi the end of this year. they will likely call a special session to elect a new prime minister, then select a cabinet before moving on to budget matters. once they reconvene in january, the new government would likely pass the supplementary budget first before submitting its fiscal 2013 plan in february. so a senior lawmaker predicts that the fiscal 2013 budget will not actually pass until mid may. that's more than a month into the new fiscal year. and if the government can't get the job done by the end of march, a provisional budget will be needed. opinion polls show the gap between the ldp and the ruling democratic party has been narrowing. that means if the ldp can't get their majority, these bills could be delayed even more. back to you, ross. >> all right, thanks for that. that's the late fres the nikkei. still to come, the business
. >>> now over to japan, where election timing may spell budget delays. we have the story from tokyo. >> the election campaign has officially kicked off in japan, but there are worries the budget is not likely to be ready pi the end of this year. they will likely call a special session to elect a new prime minister, then select a cabinet before moving on to budget matters. once they reconvene in january, the new government would likely pass the supplementary budget first before...
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what did you make of the election battle. it was pretty bruising and pretty nasty. they don't seem to have learned very much on either side how to get stuff done for america. >> there's countless people who have said the gop's casting department has to be fired an restaffed because this was a race that was theirs for the taking. they really, really could have brought him down. i think the vice presidential choice was critical. i think if you had romney who was plenty conservative for most people i know, maybe not for people in red state, christian conservatives. needed to put a woman on the ticket. >> i was amazed he didn't go from the over demographics. he had marco rubio on condoleezza rice if they had done it. >> if he had gone for meg wh whitman. he might have won. if he took a serious woman as opposed to palin in 2008. >> on obama, he fought a campaign that was pretty skillful on the ground where it mattered in the swing states. probably why he won. by any kind of criminal just you say he didn't live up to the promise he gave four years ago. what do you want hi
what did you make of the election battle. it was pretty bruising and pretty nasty. they don't seem to have learned very much on either side how to get stuff done for america. >> there's countless people who have said the gop's casting department has to be fired an restaffed because this was a race that was theirs for the taking. they really, really could have brought him down. i think the vice presidential choice was critical. i think if you had romney who was plenty conservative for most...
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end the election stuff with these. mitt romney since the election. and they're all -- >> shopping? >> him add mcdonald's. >> okay. >> you like this here? that's him in the store, the supermarket. cvs. gets some supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. i mean, kind of -- sad, lonely figure. >> kicking back. enjoying himself. >> good the see him back in normal life? good for any politician? >> i would imagine that the period, the grieving period and the acceptance period for when it doesn't go your way, especially when there was every inclination it would go his way and remember what a long torturous, tedious primary period. about 175 republican debates before the general election. he was wiped out before the finals. >> what i find disgusting is i like mitt romney. and his wife and kids. they're nice people. and the way they've all been chucked under the bus by the other republicans, one by one, racing to distance themselves, i don't like that. it's just disloyal to me. >> i think that romney was someone who -- i mean, listen. i'm glad the way everyt
end the election stuff with these. mitt romney since the election. and they're all -- >> shopping? >> him add mcdonald's. >> okay. >> you like this here? that's him in the store, the supermarket. cvs. gets some supplies. that's him in the kitchen. that's him gassing up at the station. i mean, kind of -- sad, lonely figure. >> kicking back. enjoying himself. >> good the see him back in normal life? good for any politician? >> i would imagine that the...
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two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't heard from democrats in the senate. i'm going to guarantee you that the democrats in the senate are going to be split on this business of who's rich and what the right tax rates are going to be. >> i have to leave it there, chaps. nick, larry, thank you both much, indeed. >>> coming up next, kerry kennedy joins me about fame, politics and most important of all, taylor swift.ta alka-seltzs cold & cough... [ buzz! ] take dayquil. use nyquil d... [ ding! ] ...and get longer nighttime cough relief. use tylenol cold multisymptom nighttime... [ coughs ] [ buzz! ] [ screams ] ...and you could find yourself... ho
two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't heard from democrats in the...
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there would be an election. he said last night in no uncertain person that person would be nick lal holas. >> all right, patrick ottmann, thank you. appreciate it. live from havana. >>> shifting gears. dallas cowboy linebacker jerry brown has been killed in car accident. he was in a car driven by brent. this comes as we get surveillance video of kansas city player jovan belcher. he made heldlines last beak after killing his girlfriend and then himself. i want to bring in joe carter. joe, let's bring in the dallas cowboys. what more do we know about the tragic accident? sniet obviously happened early saturday morning around 2:30 a.m. josh driving the vehicle. his teammate and roommate was in the passenger seat. he was traveling well above the posted speed limit, which was 45 miles an hour. it hit the curb, flipped over it its top and the police say it slid about 900 feet. they arrested 24-year-old josh brent. one count of intoxicated manslaughter and they obviously pronounced jerry brown jr. dead at the hospital
there would be an election. he said last night in no uncertain person that person would be nick lal holas. >> all right, patrick ottmann, thank you. appreciate it. live from havana. >>> shifting gears. dallas cowboy linebacker jerry brown has been killed in car accident. he was in a car driven by brent. this comes as we get surveillance video of kansas city player jovan belcher. he made heldlines last beak after killing his girlfriend and then himself. i want to bring in joe...
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you understand there was a huge gender gap for democrats in this last elections. republicans have to look at that and say, okay, we have to get something done. but let me add this. when peter hart actually laid out on the table here are the choices you have to make on spending and here are the choices you have to make on taxes, they had a little bit more difficult time in deciding what to do. so they began to realize the extent of the difficulty in cutting any real deal. >> yeah. not belittling the difficulty. these are tough, tough issues. but the stakes are really, really important right now. there is a little wiggle room. >> yeah. >> as far as the president and the democrats are concerned when it comes to raising tax rates for the wealthy. >> sure. the president's been very careful not to say we have to go up to the clinton-era 39.6%. he hasn't used that number. and so he's -- you know -- >> right now it's 35%. >> right now it's 35%. so if you look in the middle, okay, 37% is a real possibility. but here's the caveat. john boehner, the house speaker, cannot tak
you understand there was a huge gender gap for democrats in this last elections. republicans have to look at that and say, okay, we have to get something done. but let me add this. when peter hart actually laid out on the table here are the choices you have to make on spending and here are the choices you have to make on taxes, they had a little bit more difficult time in deciding what to do. so they began to realize the extent of the difficulty in cutting any real deal. >> yeah. not...
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house chief of staff on how to stay off the fiscal cliff and what the party should learn from the last election. >>> next, when the u.s. aimed high in the 1960s, we sent a man to the moon w the same effort, we can now cure cancer, that's what the head of the largest cancer center in the word, m.d. anderson says. >>> and america has lost it's number one standing in lotts of areas, from competitiveness to education, the new number one in most cases a scandinavian country, what is the credit sauce? we'll dig into it. but first here's my take. as we debate whether the two parties can ever come together and get things done, here is something president obama could do probably by himself that would be a single accomplishment of his presidency, end the war on terror. for the first time since 9/11, an administration official has raised this prospect. said in a speech to the oxford union last week, that as the battle against al qaeda continues, there will be come a tipping point as so many of the leaders and operatives of al qaeda have killed or captures such as al qaeda as we know it has been effectivel
house chief of staff on how to stay off the fiscal cliff and what the party should learn from the last election. >>> next, when the u.s. aimed high in the 1960s, we sent a man to the moon w the same effort, we can now cure cancer, that's what the head of the largest cancer center in the word, m.d. anderson says. >>> and america has lost it's number one standing in lotts of areas, from competitiveness to education, the new number one in most cases a scandinavian country, what...
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and i think you saw that in the election. i don't think that is their intent. i think their intent is quite sound. >> they are becoming the party of rich white older men. you can't think of any other section of the community right now thinking the republican party is for me. >> i think that is why the politics of this make it possible to go over the cliff. i think the democrats see if we go over the cliff the republicans get blamed. meanwhile. i think the republicans worry about bei ining blamed by a pri contender with the field. that doesn't mean they are obliged to stop this. his own party is slit. you are seeing groups coming out saying i'm prepared to go for a few more taxes. >> from both sides. on this, not exactly. this is one of the things that interested me. there is a lot of people in the republican party, in the senate who have said look, $250,000 is not a rich man, but it is not a rich person in new york city or loss ang. and the rates, which they want to go from 35 to 39.6%. maybe you are going to have to raise the threshold to get a deal. maybe you
and i think you saw that in the election. i don't think that is their intent. i think their intent is quite sound. >> they are becoming the party of rich white older men. you can't think of any other section of the community right now thinking the republican party is for me. >> i think that is why the politics of this make it possible to go over the cliff. i think the democrats see if we go over the cliff the republicans get blamed. meanwhile. i think the republicans worry about bei...
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>> i thought the election was going to be closer than it ended up being. i thought looking at it from the outside that the republicans had a decent chance of winning. i think the two most important things that happen thad defeated that were the very divisive primary we had to endure before with 22 debates and a period between the end of the primary season and the beginning of the general election where the democrats were able to paint governor romney as something that he really isn't in my view and the republicans' side of the screen were silent because they had to wait till they got their general election money. and then the ground game. i think the democratic campaign had a probably very far superior campaign to the ground campaign. there's something that this election campaign tells us that needs to be done for my party, for us as a party. i think it's really important that we be seen to be the party of hope, optimism, and opportunity. that's what ronald reagan taught us, instead of gloom and doom. we need to be positive. we need to appeal to those vote
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representative tom cole from oklahoma and congressman elect ted yoho from florida. >>> coming up, low taxes have been an article of faith among republicans for decades, but is the gop willing to take us over the cliff just to avoid a small marginal increase for the top 2%? we'll delve into the math, next. to test the 2.0-liter turbo engine. [ engine revs ] ♪ [ derek ] 272 horsepower. the lightest in its class. the cadillac ats outmatches the bmw 3 series. i cannot believe i have ended the day not scraping some red paint off on these barriers. ♪ [ male announcer ] the all-new cadillac ats. a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but not anymore. bob's doctor recommended a different option: once-a-day xarelto®. xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescript
representative tom cole from oklahoma and congressman elect ted yoho from florida. >>> coming up, low taxes have been an article of faith among republicans for decades, but is the gop willing to take us over the cliff just to avoid a small marginal increase for the top 2%? we'll delve into the math, next. to test the 2.0-liter turbo engine. [ engine revs ] ♪ [ derek ] 272 horsepower. the lightest in its class. the cadillac ats outmatches the bmw 3 series. i cannot believe i have...
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300 elect torl votes. >> so erik, are karl and dick being put in the penalty box? >> i don't know. it was on his website. he said, i'll be on twice next week. it seems they're having to do some pr work. i think that's good. i don't think dick morris -- we don't need to hear from him anymore. >> the question i have, callie, is whether or not -- lots of pundits are wrong about a lot of things, whether they're being made to adopt a lower profile. they weren't just wrong but seen as partisan republicans as opposed to independent analysts. >> i think there's a couple of things going on here. first of all, he wasn't just wrong. he had a meltdown there. that was more than just wrong. >> about the calling of ohio. >> yes. >> okay. >> exactly. so that's -- you know, that's more than wrong. that's a whole event that took place around his being wrong. >>> i think the second part is this is karl rove, not some other pundit. >> all right. >> yeah, yeah, that's what they say. so yeah, yeah. >> let me move on to msnbc. you even done a little reporting on this. rachel maddow had o
300 elect torl votes. >> so erik, are karl and dick being put in the penalty box? >> i don't know. it was on his website. he said, i'll be on twice next week. it seems they're having to do some pr work. i think that's good. i don't think dick morris -- we don't need to hear from him anymore. >> the question i have, callie, is whether or not -- lots of pundits are wrong about a lot of things, whether they're being made to adopt a lower profile. they weren't just wrong but seen...
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>> that's right and i also feel that president obama was re-elected for a reason. an most of the people in this country go along with his idea that the wealthy need to pay their fair share. i think that it would be totally irresponsible on his part and the republicans if they don't come to a decision on this before the first of the year, and get something ironed out -- >> so, richard, what do you think? should we go off the cliff? should we just see where the chips fall? >> no, i do not agree with going off the cliff. we should come to something, some type of an agreement here. but the wealthy should pay their fair share. i do believe in that. >> mayor hall, your town relies on federal funds to keep your water drinkable at the local treatment plant. so how would going off the cliff affect your city budget? >> well, you know, any time that you're dealing with funds that the tax payers money is involve in, you've got to look at the checks and balances and if they cut spending, there is a possibility that that will be cut and our resources will go down the drain liter
>> that's right and i also feel that president obama was re-elected for a reason. an most of the people in this country go along with his idea that the wealthy need to pay their fair share. i think that it would be totally irresponsible on his part and the republicans if they don't come to a decision on this before the first of the year, and get something ironed out -- >> so, richard, what do you think? should we go off the cliff? should we just see where the chips fall? >>...
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he can't face another election. what do you want him to do to really show fulfillment of that promise that we felt? >> i think that i want him to do and what i think needs to be done are to some degree separate things. i do know that we've had a lot of programs, government funded programs for years now that represent both sides of the aisle, both sides want everything they want. and both sides have found a way with this congress over the last several years to get much of what they want. and we bought it on credit. and the time has come because we have enormous debt where we have to raise taxes and pay the bill. >> this is my gut feeling. you see the republicans being pushed into this impossible situation for them to win where two-thirds of americans and all the poles are happy for the rich 2% to be taxed more. the republicans boxed them into position where come january 1st, they might be allowing all the little class to be taxable to try to save the skins of very wealthy americans. that's not going to wash with the
he can't face another election. what do you want him to do to really show fulfillment of that promise that we felt? >> i think that i want him to do and what i think needs to be done are to some degree separate things. i do know that we've had a lot of programs, government funded programs for years now that represent both sides of the aisle, both sides want everything they want. and both sides have found a way with this congress over the last several years to get much of what they want....
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they've got lots of votes, but the elected representative, in this case, the elected president, is not as keen on the whole other bunch of stuff. the rule of law, separation of power, individual lib erties, s he's trying to do a power grab. this is the drama that's playing out between democracy on the one hand and on individual liberty. >> what seems confusing, what morsi did with his decree, declaring himself more powerful than the supreme court, he's also at the same time saying he's going to put this to the people to vote on a referendum and that should assuage those who don't like, just go to the ballot box. >> but think of what i just said, so yeah, you could get the people to agree to a constitution that does not protect the rights of minorities, that does not institute the rule of law in judicial review. there's always been distension. hitler was elected democratically, so the fact morsi can go to the people and more than popularity, because of organization, the islamic parties tend to win in these elections. >> it's not as though the people of egypt would like to see this kind
they've got lots of votes, but the elected representative, in this case, the elected president, is not as keen on the whole other bunch of stuff. the rule of law, separation of power, individual lib erties, s he's trying to do a power grab. this is the drama that's playing out between democracy on the one hand and on individual liberty. >> what seems confusing, what morsi did with his decree, declaring himself more powerful than the supreme court, he's also at the same time saying he's...
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it's unlikely that in a formal election they're going to elect a democrat from south carolina to come to washington. hasn't happened in a while. my sense is that republicans will hold that seat eventually and whatever happens with jim demint. i was surprised that he decided to make that decision. we invited him to come on our show today and explain what's going on. i'm sure he's frustrated like a lot of conservatives are that president obama was re-elected for another four years and he worked hard to try to help romney get elected, help republicans and it's a source of frustration. a different challenge for him running a major think tank in washington and let's see w he does. >> for the time being it doesn't change the balance of power as the republicans aren't in control of the senate. >> there's a republican governor in south carolina and so she'll name someone in the short-term. i assume that's how it will work. once there's another election, i assume a republican will fill that seat. >> and i know you'll have much more on the fiscal cliff and any developments that hopefully we'll
it's unlikely that in a formal election they're going to elect a democrat from south carolina to come to washington. hasn't happened in a while. my sense is that republicans will hold that seat eventually and whatever happens with jim demint. i was surprised that he decided to make that decision. we invited him to come on our show today and explain what's going on. i'm sure he's frustrated like a lot of conservatives are that president obama was re-elected for another four years and he worked...
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he could be concerned about every citizen in the state that he was elected to serve. his job -- those are his constituents and that's his job. >> look, i see where you come from. we have to think about this in a broader sense. if every state is looking out for itself, there's going to free ride. they're going to engage in policies that damage everyone's well-being over the long term by looking out for their own re-election prospects. these guys are being political rather than looking out for the long-term interests of their citizens, their states and also the country as a whole. rather than sub sid dies development in really dangerous areas. that's called moral hazard, and that's something that's really bringing the country to its knees economically. >> last i checked, you look out for yourself. you might say that's not a great idea, if you're in new york -- actually, no, if you're in new york you're concerned about new york and not about california. you focus on where you are. that's a reality. >> all right. thanks very much to both of us. please let us know what you
he could be concerned about every citizen in the state that he was elected to serve. his job -- those are his constituents and that's his job. >> look, i see where you come from. we have to think about this in a broader sense. if every state is looking out for itself, there's going to free ride. they're going to engage in policies that damage everyone's well-being over the long term by looking out for their own re-election prospects. these guys are being political rather than looking out...
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these are the folks who helped elect the president not too long ago. should the president step in and go to bat for them? >> well, you know, the unions have been enormously supportive of the president as you point out. not only during this campaign, not only as foot stole jer sold helping get out the vote, but also financially with their dollars. the white house already expressed its support for the unions opposing right to work legislation. one of a white house official put out a statement today, matt lairic, saying in part, let me find the statement, president obama has long opposed so-called right to work laws and he continues to oppose them now. the president believes our economy is stronger when workers get good wages and good benefits. and he opposes attempts to -- he opposes attempts that -- can we change the graphic? >> it is up on the screen. >> he opposes the -- roll back their rights. michigan and its workers' role in the revival of the u.s. automobile industry is a prime example of how unions have helped build a strong middle class and stro
these are the folks who helped elect the president not too long ago. should the president step in and go to bat for them? >> well, you know, the unions have been enormously supportive of the president as you point out. not only during this campaign, not only as foot stole jer sold helping get out the vote, but also financially with their dollars. the white house already expressed its support for the unions opposing right to work legislation. one of a white house official put out a...
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voters approvaled legalization on election day and it took effect thursday. people headed to the space needle and staged what must have been a very laid back party. i want to bring in sally clark. she's the president of the city council there. she does have a sense of humor about this, but i'm sure she's a little worried because she doesn't know. sally, welcome. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, don. thanks for having me. >> i'd like to you listen to a journalist from the netherlands we spoke with last night, and i asked him about amsterdam's famously liberal drug policies and if your city should fear an increase in crime now that pot is legal. listen. >> they don't have to fear any increase -- that's my experience here in amsterdam, because what i told you, there's a nice atmosphere, a lot of foreigners are coming to buy their soft drugs. it's not heroin or cocaine. it's soft drugs, cannabis, marijuana, and there's strong regulations. people who are under 18 can't buy it. the mayor checks every coffee shops several times a year, the police is checking it. >>
voters approvaled legalization on election day and it took effect thursday. people headed to the space needle and staged what must have been a very laid back party. i want to bring in sally clark. she's the president of the city council there. she does have a sense of humor about this, but i'm sure she's a little worried because she doesn't know. sally, welcome. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, don. thanks for having me. >> i'd like to you listen to a journalist from the netherlands...
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he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would stipulate this, wolf. the president has the leverage here, i mean, republicans also know that if they were to go over the cliff that the tax cuts on the wealthy would increase. you could come back and undue the tax cuts on the middle class expiring. but the president's in a pretty good bargaining position here, which is why you see him sort of hold firm. >> what leverage do the republicans have? >> well, look, i think it -- they understand that for some liberals going over the cliff is okay, because liberals say, you know w
he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would...